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Wednesday, 4 June 2025

Against Litigious XIX

 You accuse the Catholic Church of "mass murder" and "tolerating immorality" but fail to substantiate these claims with proper historical evidence. 

Bloodstained history of christendom is well known. Is there really an individual so deluded as to be unaware of it? But it is not the way that christendom has oppressed religious minorities that is the major stumbling block but the way she has treated her coreligionists,during the two world wars christendom introduced the world to mass fratricide on an industrial scale, industrial scale fratricide has returned to europe and again it is the christendom clergy who are beating the war drums.


While it is true that members of the Church, including clergy, have sinned throughout history, these individual failings do not represent the teachings or mission of the Catholic Church. Christ also instructed us on what to do when our religious leaders are hypocrites, even though their teachings are objectively correct: "Therefore, do and observe all that they tell you, but do not do according to their deeds, for they teach but do not practice." 

The law covenant was on its way out trying to reform that dying system would not have made sense as for the church of Christ hypicrisy was not to be tolerated.

 1corithians ch.5:12,13NIV"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” d"

(Matthew 23:2) The Church has always called for repentance and sanctity, recognizing that human beings are fallible (e.g., 1 John 1:8-9, Mark 2:17). Events like the Crusades or the Inquisition are often cited out of context. For example, the Crusades were largely defensive wars responding to centuries of Muslim aggression against Christian territories. While there were abuses, these were deviations from Church teaching, not evidence of systemic immorality. Similarly, the Inquisition's primary purpose was to combat heresy and preserve societal order in a deeply religious age, not to indiscriminately kill or oppress. Your argument ignores the Church's extensive contributions to human rights, charity, education, healthcare, and peacebuilding. Figures like St. Francis of Assisi, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Teresa of Calcutta, and Pope John Paul II exemplify the Church's commitment to promoting the dignity of every human life.

It is your deeds not your words and like I pointed out it is not the violent persecution of religious minorities that concern us(although that is bad enough)JEHOVAH Does not care whether you've killed your fellowman over religious or political or ethnic differences,all religions that tolerate mass killings by their members fall under curse of revelation 18:24 ,regardless of any sanctimonious proclamations about peace or repentance.


You compare criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses to Jewish opposition to the early Christian Church. This analogy is flawed. While the apostles sometimes misunderstood the timing of eschatological events (e.g., Acts 1:6-7), it’s all happened BEFORE they received the power of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:8), they never made false prophecies. They always affirmed that the exact timing of Christ's return was known only to God (Matthew 24:36). In contrast, Jehovah’s Witnesses have repeatedly set specific dates for the end of the world (e.g., 1914, 1925, 1975), which failed to come true. This is explicitly condemned in Deuteronomy 18:20-22, where false prophecy is identified by unfulfilled predictions. The early Church grew through the apostles’ preaching of Christ’s resurrection and their willingness to suffer martyrdom for their faith. This stands in stark contrast to the repeated doctrinal flip-flops and failed prophecies of the Watchtower Society, which have led to disillusionment and departures from the organization.

The apostles were actual prophets the brothers never claimed any type of prophethood Ive read all of those predictions in their proper context and not ONCE have I seen a thus saith the LORD type proclamation

(january 1908 watchtower" "We are not prqophesying; we are merely giving our surmises . . . We do not even aver that there is no mistake in our interpretation of prophecy and our calculations of chronology. We have merely laid these before you, leaving it for each to exercise his own faith or doubt in respect to them".

But even the apostles admitted that they did not fully understand the prophesies that they proclaimed see 1Corinthians ch.13:9 just like the prophets of old did not fully understand the prophesies they proclaimed daniel ch.12:9. Note that their will continue to be an incomplete understanding of prophesy down to the end. But on matters having to do eith the identity of the true God JEHOVAH and his true high priest Jesus Christ and keeping ourseves in a sanctified condition upholding the bibles moral standards and keeping ourselves away from nationalism,war and politics the sign of JEHOVAH'S Presence among us and his absence from christendom could not be plainer


You claim that Jehovah's Witnesses fulfill Isaiah 2:2-4, which prophesies global peace under God's kingdom. However, Isaiah 2:2-4 refers to a future messianic age, not a present organizational structure. The prophecy envisions a time when all nations will seek God's ways and war will cease completely. This has not yet occurred, as evident in the ongoing conflicts and divisions in the world. While you claim internal peace, this ignores the emotional, spiritual, and familial harm caused by policies such as shunning, disfellowshipping, and the mishandling of abuse cases. True peace cannot exist where systemic harm persists, even if outward conflict is suppressed.

We have resisted pressure to kill our fellowman that includes threats of death from christendom's princes. If anyone finds our way of life to restrictive all he or she has to to do is not get baptised it's that simple the penalty(see 1Corinthians ch.5:11-13) for turning ones back on the vow you took of your own free will us known in advance,but it is a lie to clain that families are divided by the penalty, cohabiting blood relations are not required to abandon family obligations(Since blood and marital relationships are not dissolved by a congregational disfellowshiping action, the situation within the family circle requires special consideration. A woman whose husband is disfellowshiped is not released from the Scriptural requirement to respect his husbandly headship over her; only death or Scriptural divorce from a husband results in such release. (Rom. 7:1-3; Mark 10:11, 12) A husband likewise is not released from loving his wife as “one flesh” with him even though she should be disfellowshiped. (Matt. 19:5, 6; Eph. 5:28-31) Parents similarly remain under the injunction to ‘go on bringing up their children in the discipline and mental-regulating of Jehovah’ even though a baptized son or a daughter yet a minor is disfellowshiped. (Eph. 6:4) And sons and daughters, of whatever age, remain under the obligation to ‘honor their father and mother’ although one or both of these may be disfellowshiped. (Matt. 15:4; Eph. 6:2) This is not difficult to understand when we consider that, according to the Scriptures, even political officials of this world are to be shown due honor by Christians) from the august 1 1974 watchtower page 470 par.17


Your assertion that there are "no harmful policies" among Jehovah’s Witnesses is demonstrably false. Shunning and disfellowshipping isolate individuals from family and community, often causing severe emotional and psychological harm. The Bible calls for forgiveness and reconciliation (Matthew 18:21-22, Luke 15:11-32), not punitive isolation. The prohibition of blood transfusions has led to preventable deaths, including children. This policy is based on a misinterpretation of biblical passages like Acts 15:28-29, which refer to dietary restrictions, not life-saving medical procedures. Numerous legal cases have revealed the Watchtower Society's failure to protect victims of abuse, often prioritizing organizational reputation over justice. This contradicts biblical teachings on caring for the vulnerable (Matthew 18:6).

Are you seriously comparing loss of fellowship by a minority of of ones relatives,you can still fellowship with the majority of your family and as we have seen it it is just a flat out lie that spouses and cohabiting offspring are forbidden from having normal family ties. Compared to the churches of christendom who use the power of the state to force their religion on those born in a certain geographic area this is nothing, remember we do not practice infant baptism,every baptismal candidatendies so of his own free will with full awareness of the penalty for breaking his oath,and the idea that a member of the catholic church thinks that he can compare the catholic churches record re:child abuse with us is laughable,grok gives the number of cases involving JWs in the last ten years as between 50 and 150 where as for the population at large 600,000 cases were brought before the court at the same time. Likely we can all agree that those are 50 to 150 cases too many but the fact is that it represents between 1 in 25000  and 1 in 8000 approximately whereas the ratio for the population at large is about one in 50. So this idea pushed by you and your kind that JW children are more likely to be abused is yet another lie. The idea that those who opt for bloodless medicine yet more lies,if any figures to that effect existed we both know that you and your fellow haters would make sure that they posted in a loop all over the internet,the only reason we have not seen any such figures is because they don't exist.


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