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Thursday, 3 September 2015

A line in the sand XXII

Kentucky clerk won't let deputies issue same-sex wedding licenses, stays in jail.


CNN)Rowan County, Kentucky, clerk Kim Davis was given a second chance: She didn't have to issue same-sex marriage licenses herself; she merely had to agree not to interfere with five deputy clerks who had told the federal judge they'd issue them in her stead.
But Davis' lawyer told U.S. District Judge David Bunning that his client would not allow her deputies to issue the licenses. Davis was not in the courtroom for the second session. She was in a hallway outside.
"We cannot represent to the court that she would allow licenses to be issued," attorney Mat Staver said.
Earlier Thursday, Bunning remanded Davis into the custody of U.S. marshals for refusing to heed a U.S. Supreme Court order legalizing same-sex marriage, saying she would remain in jail until she complies with the ruling.
Bunning then asked Davis' six deputy clerks whether they would issue the licenses, and despite some of them holding the same religious beliefs as Davis, five told Bunning they would issue the licensesDuring Davis' hearing, April Miller told the court that the clerk had denied her a marriage license three times, and when Davis took the stand to deliver her at-times emotional testimony, she explained that she could not issue the licenses because of her religious beliefs.
"You can't be separated from something that's in your heart and in your soul," she told the judge, according to CNN affiliate WYMT-TV.
American Civil liberties Union attorneys argued in a motion filed Mondaythat Davis "continues to collect compensation from the Commonwealth for duties she fails to perform."
They said they didn't want her to be jailed as punishment, but rather, the attorneys asked the court to "impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous" to make her comply with the court order.
Bunning, however, apparently felt she deserved jail time, but he also told Davis she could end her incarceration by complying with the Supreme Court order and telling her deputy clerks to do the same.
He said he didn't believe fining Davis would convince her to comply with the high court ruling, especially considering that Davis had testified earlier that her supporters are raising funds for her and calling her office to offer financial support, WYMT reported.

'Her conscience remains unshackled'

Bunning said he, too, was religious, but he explained that when he took his oath to become a judge, that oath trumped his personal beliefs, the station reported.
"Her good faith belief is simply not a viable defense," Bunning said.
Davis thanked the judge for his ruling, according to WYMT. She was not placed in handcuffs, but a U.S. marshal led her out of the courtroom.
Celebrations and protests erupted outside the courthouse in Ashland, Kentucky, when those who attended the hearing exited the courtroom with news of the decision. Chants of "Love won! Love won!" filled the air.
Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel, which represented Davis, said in a statement he was "stunned" by the judge's ruling.
"Kim Davis is being treated as a criminal because she cannot violate her conscience. While she may be behind bars for now, Kim Davis is a free woman. Her conscience remains unshackled," he said in the statement."The tragedy is that there are simple ways to accommodate her convictions. Just remove her name from the marriage licenses. That's all she has asked from the beginning. Today's events will escalate this debate to a new level."
Davis, an apostolic Christian who says she has a sincere religious objection to same-sex marriage, has refused to issue any marriage licenses since the Supreme Court decision in June legalizing same-sex marriage.
In court documents filed Wednesday, her attorneys argue that she shouldn't be held in contempt. Instead, they argued, there are alternatives that would allow couples to get marriage licenses in Rowan County without going against Davis' religious beliefs.
Among the options they offered were allowing other officials to issue marriage licenses in the county, distributing marriage licenses at the state level or changing marriage license forms to remove Davis' name.
A seat inside the courtroom was a hot ticket. Before the session began, more than 100 people were turned away from Bunning's courtroom, which holds 300 people. A federal law enforcement source told CNN that because of the controversy surrounding the case, Bunning was provided with a security escort on his way into work.

'Respect the law; do your job!'

A large crowd, leaning mostly in support of Davis, gathered outside the courthouse before the hearing, many carrying signs. "Jesus Saves" read one, "Homo sex is sin," read another, while one sign pointed passers-by to the Bible's Acts 5:29, which quotes Peter and other apostles saying, "We must obey God rather than human beings!"
Lana Bailey of Worthington, about a 20-minute drive northwest of Ashland, brought signs as well, both of which seemed to address Davis: "My gay friends pay taxes which helps pay you... right??" and "Respect the law; do your job!"
"I'm here to support equal rights for all," she said. "It's just called respect. I don't understand why we're having this. Why are we spending money on this? ... If you can't do your job then you need to step down. You need to resign."
Jason Porter, a pastor at Ashland's Gospel Light Baptist Church, spoke for the other side and said he wasn't at the courthouse "to bash people's decisions and lifestyles," but he worried that if people were allowed to continue doing whatever they want to do, "the floodgates will open to other areas of polygamy."
He did not elaborate on how same-sex marriage was akin to polygamy, which is the act of having multiple spouses. Polygamy is illegal in every state.
Echoing those who cited Acts 5:29, he said he felt Davis had a right to refuse to issue the marriage license and, waving his Bible, he told CNN he bore no hatred toward gay couples and is merely standing "for the truths of my God's word."
"I just know the destruction that this brings. As a pastor, I see the background. I see the broken families. I see the AIDS. I see the folks dying of diseases and the brokenness of relationships," he said.

Lawyers: Issuing licenses 'violates her conscience'

Two other county clerks in Kentucky are also refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses, according to a statement on Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear's website.
Bunning ordered Davis to resume the issuing of marriage licenses on August 12. Monday night, the Supreme Court denied an emergency application from Davis, who asked that Bunning's order be put on hold pending appeal.
In a statement released Tuesday, Davis, a Democrat, said she has received death threats but intends to continue to serve as the county clerk -- a position she was elected to fill in November.
In court papers, attorneys for Davis argued that she is unable to comply with the court orders because issuing same-sex marriage licenses "irreparably and irreversibly violates her conscience."
Finding her in contempt of court, they argued in the motion filed Wednesday, also would "substantially burden Davis' religious exercise."
But some scoff at the clerk, suggesting she's a hypocrite because she'sbeen divorced three times.
Davis said she's a different person now since becoming a Christian four years ago.
"I am not perfect," she said in a statement. "No one is. But I am forgiven."
The ACLU attorneys, who represent two same-sex couples and two opposite-sex couples who want to get married in Rowan County, argued that Davis has no legal basis to avoid performing her duties as a government clerk.
And a federal prosecutor said it's time for Davis and her county to comply.
"Government officials are free to disagree with the law, but not disobey it," U.S. Attorney Kerry B. Harvey said in a statement. "The County Clerk has presented her position through the federal court system, all of the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. It is time for the Clerk and the County to follow the law."
CNN's Sonia Moghe, Alexandra Field, Ariane de Vogue and Jeremy Diamond contributed to this report..

Darwinists try to get their theory off on a technicality

Biochemist Larry Moran Denies Darwin's Doubt, and We Doubt His Arguments


The end of the Wicked according to scripture

Carefully and prayerfully examine what these text of scripture state are destiny of the wicked and honestly ask yourself do the Holy scriptures support the Doctrine of eternal torment of the wicked,a thing that would necessitate their miraculous preservation or do the the scriptures indicate that the wicked will be eternally preserved or the reverse as their final punishment.


Psalm1:4-6NASB"The wicked are not so,
But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.For the Lord [a]knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the wicked will perish."

Psalm7:9NASB"O let the evil of the wicked come to an end, but establish the righteous;
For the righteous God tries the hearts and [a]minds."

Psalm9:5NASB"You have rebuked the nations, You have destroyed the wicked;
You have blotted out their name forever and ever."

Psalm9:17NASB"The wicked will [a]return to [b]Sheol,
Even all the nations who forget God."



Psalm11:6NASB"Upon the wicked He will rain [a]snares;
Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup."(Think Sodom and Gomorrah)
Psalm31:17ASV". Let me not be put to shame, O Jehovah; for I have called upon thee: Let the wicked be put to shame, let them be silent in Sheol."(Emphasis mine)

Psalm34:21NASB"Evil shall slay the wicked,
And those who hate the righteous will be [a]condemned."

Psalm37:10NASB"Yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more;
And you will look carefully for his place and he will not be there."

Psalm37:20NASB"But the wicked will perish;
And the enemies of the Lord will be like the [a]glory of the pastures,
They vanish—like smoke they vanish away."

Psalm37:28NASB"For the Lord loves [a]justice
And does not forsake His godly ones;
They are preserved forever,
But the [b]descendants of the wicked will be cut off."

Psalm37:ASV"Wait for Jehovah, and keep his way, And he will exalt thee to inherit the land: When the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it."

Psalm37:38ASV"As for transgressors, they shall be destroyed together; The end of the wicked shall be cut off."

Psalm58:10ASV"The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked;"

Psalm68:2ASV"As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: As wax melteth before the fire, So let the wicked perish at the presence of God."

Psalm75:8ASV"For in the hand of Jehovah there is a cup, and the wine foameth; It is full of mixture, and he poureth out of the same: Surely the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall drain them, and drink them."

Psalm75:10ASV"All the horns of the wicked also will I cut off; But the horns of the righteous shall be lifted up."

Psalm92:7NASB"When the wicked spring as the grass, And when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; It is that they shall be destroyed for ever."(Emphasis Mine)

Psalm94:23ASV"And he hath brought upon them their own iniquity, And will cut them off in their own wickedness; Jehovah our God will cut them off."(We see the issue proportionality being mentioned whatever suffering is brought upon the wicked must be proportional to the suffering they have caused even Satan himself has only been able to cause a finite amount of suffering)

Psalm101:8ASV"Morning by morning will I destroy all the wicked of the land; To cut off all the workers of iniquity from the city of Jehovah."

Psalm104:35ASV" Let sinners be consumed out of the earth. And let the wicked be no more. Bless Jehovah, O my soul. Praise ye Jehovah."

Psalm106:18ASV"And a fire was kindled in their company; The flame burned up the wicked."

Psalm112:10ASV"The wicked shall see it, and be grieved; He shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away: The desire of the wicked shall perish"

Psalm119:119ASV"Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross: Therefore I love thy testimonies."

Psalm139:19ASV" Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: Depart from me therefore, ye bloodthirsty men."

Psalm141:10ASV"Let the wicked fall into their own nets, Whilst that I withal escape."(Again how much suffering can the wicked cause in a finite lifetime)

Psalm145:20ASV"Jehovah preserveth all them that love him; But all the wicked will he destroy."

Proverbs2:22ASV"But the wicked shall be cut off from the land, And the treacherous shall be rooted out of it."

Proverbs5:22ASV"His own iniquities shall take the wicked, And he shall be holden with the cords of his sin."(Jah's chastisement is justly proportionate)

Proverbs10:7ASV"The memory of the righteous is blessed; But the name of the wicked shall rot."(They will not even be mourned or memorialised in any way)

Proverbs10:25ASV"When the whirlwind passeth, the wicked is no more; But the righteous is an everlasting foundation."(See Jeremiah25:32,33)

Proverbs10:27ASV"The fear of Jehovah prolongeth days; But the years of the wicked shall be shortened."(The length of their existence will be cut short i.e the opposite of preserved.)

Proverbs10:28ASV" The hope of the righteous shall be gladness; But the expectation of the wicked shall perish."

Proverbs10:30ASV"The righteous shall never be removed; But the wicked shall not dwell in the land."(what would being excluded from the presence of an omnipresent God entail.)

Proverbs11:7ASV"When a wicked man dieth, his expectation shall perish; And the hope of iniquity perisheth." 

Proverbs11:8ASV"The righteous is delivered out of trouble, And the wicked cometh in his stead."
Proverbs11:10ASV" When it goeth well with the righteous, the city rejoiceth; And when the wicked perish, there is shouting."

Proverbs12:7ASV"The wicked are overthrown, and are not; But the house of the righteous shall stand."(Emphasis Mine)

Proverbs13:9ASV"The light of the righteous rejoiceth; But the lamp of the wicked shall be put out."

Ecclesiastes8:13ASV "but it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he feareth not before God."

So unfiltered by man made dogma.The wicked and their ways meet the same end.Both they and the distress they have caused vanish forever consigned by God and his messiah to the realm of dreams and shadows So that even their very memory will be no more i.e if words are to have definite contextually determined meanings.