THE seventeenth of my responses to Mr.nevem
Nincsnevem:What does the "heavenly body" mentioned here mean? The text refers to the diversity of creatures on earth and in heaven as evidence of God's infinite power. So the "heavenly bodies" are, as written there: the Sun, the Moon, and the stars, i.e., celestial bodies. Remember back to the very first chapter of the Bible: "And God said, 'Let there be lights in the vault of the sky...'"
We see the trend of arguing by assertion rather than making a case continues here is the context of 15:40
1Corinthians ch.15:36-38ESV"But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 38But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body"
So nothing to do with the nonliving creation but the living Paul says that JEHOVAH would not need to reinvent wheel there are already models of living forms in heaven and earth each with its own glory angels are routinely compared to stars in the bible the resurrected sons of God are also compared to stars
Job ch.38:4-7ESV"On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
Daniel ch.12:3NIV"Those who are wise a will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. "
Revelation ch.22:16 NIV"“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you a this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Nincs nevem:Chrysostom refers the phrase to the resurrection bodies. This is unquestionably the meaning of ἐπουράνιος in 1 Corinthians 15:48: but here it would seem to be in more strict opposition to ἐπίγειος, that which exists on the earth, since the Apostle refers to the sun, moon, and stars as 'heavenly bodies' in the next verse..
ReplyDelete1corinthians ch.15:48ESV"As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. "
Every single creation has a heavenly source the first Adam received his body directly from JEHOVAH not through a woman so it seems he has a greater claim to having a body from heaven if the phrase is Just about the source of the body
1Corinthians 15:45ESV"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."
Is extremely important to understanding the issue that you pay close care both to what the passage says and doesn't say
It does not say that the first man received a soul but that he BECAME a soul think of Martha going to law school and becoming a lawyer Martha doesn't have a lawyer Martha has become a lawyer
Same with the second Adam he did not receive a spirit he BECAME a spirit obviously Just as the First Adam was not a living soul prior to becoming one Second Adam was not a spirit prior to becoming one and equally important his becoming a spirit did not preclude his having a body so a person being/becoming a spirit does not preclude their having a superphysical body
Mr.nevemThe "heavenly" (celestial, epouranios) bodies (σώματα ἐπουράνια) mentioned in 1 Cor 15:40 are clearly not the alleged "bodies" of God or the angels, but orbs, as the next verse specifically states what understood by this: the Sun, the Moon, and the stars.
ReplyDelete1Corinthians ch.15:35-38ESV"But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 38But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body."
And when Paul compares the corpse to a grain of wheat has he switched to discussing agriculture
There is no switch in topics the entirety of the chapter deals with death and resurrection esp. Christ there are no asides into agriculture or astronomy
After comparing the glory of invisible heavens to glory of visible heavens he reminds what is being discussed
1corinthians ch.15:42ESV"So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. "
So the fleshly body is compared to a seed but the glorious spiritual body is compared the stars angels are called stars see Job 38:4-7