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Thursday, 16 January 2025

Against litigious X

 Litigious:The claim that no one in heaven, including Jesus, has a physical form misinterprets 1 Corinthians 15:50. The phrase "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" does not mean that physical bodies are excluded from heaven. Rather, it signifies that corruptible, mortal bodies cannot inherit the imperishable kingdom. As Paul explains in the surrounding verses, believers’ bodies will be transformed into glorified, immortal BODIES (1 Corinthians 15:42-44, 53). This transformation does not entail abandoning physicality but perfecting it, as demonstrated by Christ's resurrected body.

Myself:Again it means what it says your church has no recognized authority here the Bible has all the authority unless you can find some scripture that says otherwise we go with what the verse clearly states no physical forms in heaven, christ is no longer human.

See galatians ch.1:1


Litigious:The argument that Christ’s glorified body negates His physicality misunderstands the nature of glorification. A glorified body is still a body, but it is no longer subject to decay, suffering, or death. Jesus' ability to appear and disappear after His resurrection (e.g., Luke 24:31, John 20:19) reflects the properties of a glorified body, not a denial of its physical reality. These accounts affirm that Christ retained His humanity in a perfected state, consistent with His ongoing role as the risen Lord.

Myself:We reject your church's authority sola scriptura,find a verse that says that don't simply assert anything or we would have no choice but to reject it where are your scriptures. Galatians ch.1:1 luke 24:31 shows him disappearing into thin air that certainly does not seem very human to me. And in broad daylight no one recognized him.clearly something similar Genesis ch.19 was happening.here galatians ch.1:1 makes it plain that he was no longer human.


Litigious:Finally, the claim that Christ is no longer human and that His resurrected appearances prove He became solely a "spirit being" lacks scriptural support. Paul consistently teaches that Jesus’ resurrection affirms both the continuity of His identity and the transformation of His body (Romans 6:9-10, Philippians 3:21). The notion that Jesus "became" a spirit contradicts the clear testimony of Scripture, which emphasizes the physical reality of His resurrection as the firstfruits of the redeemed (1 Corinthians 15:20-23).

Myself His becoming superhuman won't alter his identity any more than his becoming human altered it so your argument makes no sense.


Ps. Among instances where thayer's lexicon considers dia to denote instrumentality by an authority 


Winer's Grammar, 379 (355))) ἐγένετο or ἐκτίσθη: John 1:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6 (where he is expressly distinguished from the first cause: ἐξ αὐτοῦ (Winer's Grammar, 419 (391))); Colossians 1:16 (Winer's Grammar, the passage cited), cf. Hebrews 1:2 (Philo de cherub. § 35). The instrumental cause and the principal are distinguished in 1"

tropically Christ is called πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως (partitive genitive (see below), as in τά πρωτότοκα τῶν προβάτων, Genesis 4:4; τῶν βοῶν, Deuteronomy 12:17; τῶν υἱῶν σου, Exodus 22:29), who came into being through God prior to the entire universe of created things

Brown Driver Briggs on qanah at Proverbs ch.8:22

 of God as originating, creating, קֹנֵה שָׁמַיִם וָאָרֶץ Genesis 14:19,22; Deuteronomy 32:6 (Israel), Psalm 139:13 (כִּלְֹיתָ֑י); Proverbs 8:22 ( חכמה q. v.).

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  1. First, 1 Cor. 15:50 is often misinterpreted to mean that no physical forms exist in heaven. However, Paul is not rejecting physicality itself but rather the corruptible, mortal state of human bodies. The context of the passage clearly indicates that Paul is discussing the transformation of the believer's body into a glorified state—imperishable and immortal (1 Cor. 15:42-44, 53-54). This glorified body retains continuity with the original but is perfected for eternal life. If physicality were entirely excluded, Paul would not emphasize the transformation of the body but its abandonment, which he does not.

    The argument that Christ's glorified body negates His physicality also contradicts the Gospels' resurrection accounts. The declaration in Luke 24:39 was meant to refute the disciples' assumption that they were seeing a ghost or apparition. Jesus demonstrated that His resurrected body was physical, albeit glorified, capable of engaging with the material world while also possessing supernatural properties. The ability to appear and disappear (Luke 24:31, John 20:19) does not negate the physical reality of His body; instead, it showcases the unique properties of a glorified body, which transcends the limitations of a mortal one.

    Jesus did miraculous works with His body prior to His resurrection as at Matthew 14:26 where Jesus is seen walking on the water.He was not recognized for several reasons, all of which are indicated by the contexts.
    In John 20 it was early in the morning and still dark, (v1), and Mary was not expecting to see Jesus alive. Nowhere does the text say Jesus appeared to Mary as a gardener. It was Mary's mistake, not Jesus' appearance.
    In John 21:4-12 Jesus was on the seashore, while the disciples were at sea in a ship. It was early morning. The disciples were approx. 100 yards from the land. Fog would have been raising from the water at that early hour obscuring the disciple's view. Jesus' subsequent actions were those of someone possessing a body.
    Luke 24:16. The eyes of these disciples were "holden," or "veiled."
    Jesus did this so they could not recognize Him because though He was the Living Word and had taught them for over three years He now wanted to direct their attention to the written Word. When they saw from the scriptures that Jesus must suffer and be raised again He then unveiled their eyes so they could recognize Him. The implication is very plain if Jesus had not "veiled" their eyes they would have recognized Him. If He was in "another form" there would have been no need to veil their eyes at all.

    The suggestion that Gal. 1:1 implies Jesus is no longer human is unsupported by the text. This passage highlights the divine authority of Paul's apostleship but says nothing about Jesus ceasing to be human. Instead, it emphasizes the divine power that raised Jesus from the dead, which is consistent with the NT's teaching of Christ's glorified, resurrected body.

    The assertion that Jesus "became" a spirit contradicts the central Christian teaching on the resurrection. In Phil. 3:21, Paul affirms that Christ "will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like His glorious BODY." This transformation does not involve discarding physicality but perfecting it, as Christ's glorified body serves as the model for believers. Furthermore, Romans 6:9-10 declares that Christ, "having been raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over Him." This underscores the permanence of His resurrected, glorified state as both fully divine and fully human.

    Finally, the claim that Jesus' identity as God would remain intact regardless of His form misunderstands the significance of the Incarnation and the resurrection. Jesus’ humanity is not a temporary phase but a permanent aspect of His identity as the God-man. The Church teaches, based on Scripture, that Christ's resurrection is the "firstfruits" of the redeemed (1 Cor. 15:20-23), affirming that His glorified body is the prototype for the future resurrection of believers.

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