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Wednesday, 5 February 2025

Against litigious XXV


Litigious:Your rejection of historical continuity in Christianity shows a misunderstanding of Christ’s promise in Matthew 16:18 that “the gates of hell shall not prevail” against His Church. You dismiss historical Christianity as corrupted and claim Jehovah’s Witnesses are the true faith,

Myself:As I pointed our Lord and his apostles rejected the argument from antiquity yet you keep recycling this argument that our Lord rejected the Jews could point to similar promises in the scriptures that the law and the priesthood were to continue to olam,

Exodus ch.40:15NIV"Anoint them as you did their father, so they may also serve me as priests. With their anointing, Aaron’s descendants are set apart for the priesthood forever, from generation to generation.”"

Why do you keep recycling this tired old argument that our Lord and his apostles rejected. 


 Litigious:yet your movement did not exist until the 19th century. The early Church Fathers, who lived far closer to the apostles, taught doctrines that Jehovah’s Witnesses reject, including the deity of Christ and the Trinitarian nature of God (cf. Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Athanasius). The Watchtower Society’s ever-changing doctrines undermine its claim to divine authority. Jesus did not establish an organization that would later need to be "restored"—He founded a Church that has endured since the time of the apostles.

Myself:the Jews would also have raised the same argument against the Christians and would point to extra biblical authority for their man made tradition again Jesus rejected man made tradition not rooted in scripture no matter how old. See Matthew ch.15:2-6 none of the foundation teachings of our movement were invented by the brothers you know about arius,there is also ancient authority for conditional immortality,and premillenialism,baptism by immersion,substitutionary atonement ,so individuals did preserve elements of the truth though these were in the minority just as the first century church was a tiny and hated minority and they were scattered,jesus prophecy at Matthew ch.13:24-30 indicated that it would be the case that apostates and their disciples would outnumber fruitbearing Christians 2thessalonians ch.2:1-12 points to those leading the rebellion they claim supernatural signs and gifts long after those have passed away. But the bloodstained fruit they bear exposes them as weeds sown by the enemy. 

Litigious:Your attempt to dismiss the documented changes in Jehovah’s Witness doctrine as “window dressing” ignores the serious theological inconsistencies within your organization. Doctrinal shifts such as the multiple post-hoc re-interpretations of the “generation” in Matthew 24:34 or failed prophetic predictions, such as the 1914 and 1975 end-times claims, show that your organization cannot claim to be God’s unerring voice. Contrast this with Catholic doctrine, which, despite human failings, has preserved the same core teachings on the Trinity, the sacraments, and salvation since the time of Christ.

Myself:We know that the apostles had wrong expectations and they were prophets see luke ch.24:20,21 John ch 21:23  before each of those expectations the brothers made it clear that they were cessationists and hence were  not literal prophets your continue lie boldfacedly like this about this issue is not recommending you as  good faith interlocutor https://aservantofjehovah.blogspot.com/2024/03/on-false-prophets-and-false-accusers.html
From the January 1908 watchtower"With regard to 1914: : "We are not prqophesying; we are merely giving our surmises . . . We do not even aver that there is no mistake in our interpretation of prophecy and our calculations of chronology. We have merely laid these before you, leaving it for each to exercise his own faith or doubt in respect to them" 
This years prior to 1914 so it is definitely not a post hoc rationalization as you lyingly implied. It is you who claim infallibility and boldfacedly admit to necromancy claiming to receive dreams and visions from dead saints a clear violation of Deuteronomy ch.18:9-11
Like the apostles wrong expectations none of those had any theological consequences JEHOVAH Still remained supreme,Christ still remained subordinate to his anointed,the dead continued to sleep until the resurrection the millennium continued to be hoped for ,baptism continued to be by immersion on those qualified to make a covenant with JEHOVAH,the atonement continued to be substitutionary ,the final end of the wicked continued to be annihilation,we continued to remain separate from politics and nationalism and war,we continued to hope for a restoration of human perfection,I observed you made no specific claims as to what aspect of our theology was changed by these misunderstandings  of recorded prophecy.


Litigious:You argue that “all of Christendom” is guilty of political and religious violence, yet you fail to distinguish between the actions of individuals and the teachings of the Church. The Catholic Church has always condemned unjust violence, as seen in papal encyclicals like Pacem in Terris (1963) and Evangelium Vitae (1995). While historical conflicts occurred, they were often driven by political, not theological, motivations. More importantly, Christ’s teachings remain unchanged. The Church does not justify the past sins of its members but rather seeks repentance and reform, unlike the Watchtower Society, which rewrites its history to cover past errors.

Myself:it is astounding that you think that the fact that your mass fratricide is driven by political and ethnic contentions some how excuses it, that makes it worse does it not? The tolerance of those who unrepentantly slaughter fellow believers even urging them on in the slaughter is a clear violation of what the Bible indicates ought to be expected of true Christians see John ch.13;34,35
Isaiah ch 2:2-4ASV"And it shall come to pass in the latter days, that the mountain of Jehovah's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3And many peoples shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem.

4And he will judge between the nations, and will decide concerning many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."
 Like I stated already the notion that Satan could get his people to precisely fulfill these expectations while Christ will so spectacularly fail to get his people to fulfill these expectations is utterly irrational


Litigious:Your appeal to John 13:35, claiming that Jehovah’s Witnesses show true Christian love by refusing to participate in military service, is misleading. The Catholic Church upholds just war principles, as seen in Augustine and Aquinas,

Myself: killing fellow believers is never just let the unbelievers fight their own wars we have JEHOVAH'S War to fight we can't take time away from that truly just war to meddle in the unbelievers' wars.

2Corinthians ch.10:4NIV"he weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds."


 Litigious:which permit self-defense and the protection of the innocent. The rejection of military service does not automatically equate to moral superiority. Jehovah’s Witnesses claim to be neutral, yet the organization has engaged in questionable legal and political maneuvers, such as its association with the United Nations as an NGO while publicly condemning political involvement.

Myself :in practice christendom's churches have been willing tools for the nationalist ambitions of which ever nation they happen to be part of we pay taxes and obey the law therefore we are entitled to access whatever our taxes pay for their is nothing political about that so this insinuation is an attempt to divert attention from the bloodstained history of christendom's churches including their implication in the violent persecution of JEHOVAH'S Servants, christendom has never met a bloodstained tyrant she didn't like provided he was ready to do her bidding 


Litigious:You claim that Jehovah disciplines those in rebellion, but you fail to recognize that authority within the Church is meant to build up, not tear down. The Catholic Church does not reject discipline but implements it with mercy. Paul commands the Church to discipline the immoral brother in 1 Corinthians 5, yet in 2 Corinthians 2:6-8, he urges the Church to forgive and restore the sinner, demonstrating that discipline must lead to reconciliation, not indefinite exclusion.

You fail to realize the difference between mercy and license,mercy is when the truly repentant are help to regain spiritual health your attempt to excuse your church's lax attitude toward those hardened in open rebellion against JEHOVAH'S Law and who clearly have no interest in(or may not even recognize the need for) repentance is not mercy. Proverbs ch.28:13NLT"People who conceal their sins will not prosper, but if they confess and turn from them, they will receive mercy."
What about those who have no shame at all in part because their church allows those advocating moral compromise to teach their slackness from the pulpit. None of this is true mercy 



Litigious;In conclusion, your defense of Jehovah’s Witness practices relies on selective Scripture interpretation, theological inconsistencies, and a rejection of historical Christianity. Catholic doctrine maintains the balance between justice and mercy, acknowledging the necessity of repentance while preserving the dignity of individuals. Unlike Jehovah’s Witnesses’ rigid disciplinary system, which often results in broken families and emotional harm, the Catholic Church follows the biblical model of correction ordered toward restoration. Your rejection of historical Christianity and your organization's doctrinal instability undermine your claim to be the true faith. The Catholic Church, built upon the foundation of Christ and the apostles, remains the pillar and foundation of truth, offering God’s grace to all who seek it.

Myself: the churches of christendom's failure to promote the bible's morals and her being a willing cheerleader for nationalists and militarists is what has resulted in mass harm to families and nations. As I pointed out, but your bad faith continues to ignore, the sanction does not apply to spouses and their minor children,or children living under their roof.those who take the vow of dedication do so with full awareness of the consequence for defection from the vow, the vow must not be taken frivolously, as the proverb says it is better to not vow, ecclesiastes ch.5:4-6NIV"When you make a vow to God, do not delay to fulfill it. He has no pleasure in fools; fulfill your vow. 5It is better not to make a vow than to make one and not fulfill it. 6Do not let your mouth lead you into sin. And do not protest to the temple messenger, “My vow was a mistake.” Why should God be angry at what you say and destroy the work of your hands? "

Don't be a pretender you won't have anything to worry about ,those who are repentant will receive mercy for sure but those defiantly rebellious against JEHOVAH'S Law must be removed for the Church to remain in a sanctified state. 

The foundation of our doctrine has not changed just as an incomplete understanding of prophecy see 1Corinthians ch.13:9 did not affect the fundamental theology of the first century church,so too an incomplete understanding of messianic prophecy has not affected the essentials of our faith,the identity of the one true God ,the identity of his subordinate Messiah,the atonement ,premillenialism etc. All remained unaffected. Your church has also had some doctrinal changes ,I'm sure you have some ad hoc rationalization as to why your infallible pope ever needs to make such adjustments and why your claim that such adjustments are disqualifying don't apply in that instance,but it all seems like special pleading to me.

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