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Wednesday 11 December 2013

Yet more dainties from the tree of trinitarian 'logic'

1Corinthians14:33NASB"for God is not a God of confusion but of peace,as in all the churches of the saints."

We continue with our examination of the 'logic'by which trinitarians interpret their so called proof texts.With a particular focus on the untenable(though often entertaining)conclusions that result from our attempts to make a consistent application of said 'logic' in interpreting other similar texts of scripture.
With this post,in addition to the usual exercise,I also want to take a look at the self-contradictory nature of this particular line of reasoning by taking it to its 'logical'conclusions.
1Peter1:11KJV"Searching what,or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ,and the glory that should follow."
Philippians1:19KJV"For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer,and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,"
Acts16:7NASB"And after they came to Mysia,they trying to go into Bithynia,and the Spirit of Jesus did not permit them;"
According to trinitarian apologists the three aforementioned texts constitute proof that Jehovah God,Jesus Christ and the nameless Holy Spirit are three co-equal members of a triune deity because the Spirit of Jehovah God is also called the Spirit of Jesus Christ.The reasoning appears to be that if S is of both JG and JC then JC=JG.Or in as much as the Holy Spirit is called the spirit of God,then anyone that the Holy Spirit is said to be properly "of"must necessarily be God.
Classic trinitarian 'logic',I would like to start by looking at the implications that this kind of 'logic'would have for the nature Christendom's triune deity.Now if the Spirit of Jehovah God is also the Spirit of Jesus Christ because Jesus Christ is Jehovah God,then The Spirit of Jehovah God must also be the Spirit of the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit as trinitarians would remind us is also Jehovah God.And the Son of God must also be the Son of the Son,because the Son is God and all who are God equally own and control all that God owns and controls.The Son would also be the Son of the Holy Spirit for exactly the same reason,The Son would then have three Fathers one of which would be himself,how could anyone of these then possibly be regarded as "The Father".Further trinitarians' claim that the Son need not be praying to himself when addressing the Father in prayer as at John17,Matthew26:39 would then of course be false.In as much as the three members triune God are Spirit and are Holy.Then the trinity must be made up of three fathers and Three Holy spirits.Now in as much as the Son is God Then the Father would rightly be the Father of God and automatically the Father of all who are God including himself and the Holy Spirit.
So where are we?So far we have 'logically'deduced that Christendom's Trinity must be made up of three Fathers,three Sons and three Holy Spirits.
Confused?Don't let it bother you.According to trinitarian apologists that is exactly the way a proper explanation of their dogma ought to leave one feeling.
As we have seen in past posts in this series attempting to make consistent use of trinitarian logic in interpreting the rest of the scriptures inevitably leads to an expanding of the Godhead.
This latest example is no different.
2Kings2:9ASV"And it came to pass,when they were gone over,that Elijah said unto Elisha,Ask what I shall do for thee,before I am taken from thee.And Elisha said I pray thee,let a double portion of thy Spirit be upon me."
2Kings2:14,15ASV"And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him,and smote the waters,and said,where is Jehovah,the God of Elijah?And when he had also smitten the waters,they were divided hither and thither;and Elisha went over.And when the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho over against him saw him,they said,the spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha.And they came to meet him,and bowed themselves to the ground before him"
So the Spirit of Jehovah God is here also referred to as the Spirit of Elijah,ergo,we have yet another member of the Godhead.
Ezekiel1:20ASV"Whither soever the spirit was to go,they went;thither the spirit was to go:and the wheels were lifted up beside them;for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels."
And we can add the cherubs to the Godhead as well.One thing we can be sure of is that 'god'of Christendom is certainly not the 'Jehovah" revealed in scripture he is never the author of confusion.

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